[Finished] Rhyhorn

Proposed Sets

Rhydon
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Adamant
Item: Eviolite / Ability Capsule
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

I vote ice fang for the last egg move for both sets

Instead of thunder fang, right?

Yup

dang, wanted to do rhyhorn. I propose one set with trick room spread.

You mean 31/31/31/x/31/0?

rafakp wrote:

You mean 31/31/31/x/31/0?

yes.

If it's 0 speed, you should have a brave nature. I'm not sure if others would want a trick room spread though

Make an eviolite rhydon set and a rhyperior set

Yeah... I was thinking about rhydon. Ok!

I think I should make a poll, right? Because imo the set wouldn't change... just the strategy. I could make a poll with Rhyperior (set) 1 & Rhydon (set) 2 and Rhyperior 2 & Rhydon 1

Yeah, I'd just make these two sets. If the sets aren't going to change, there's no need to make a poll.

Obviously... *smart me in action*

Isn't jolly useless with the terrible speed?

I'd vote Adamant Rhyperior and Careful/Adamant Rhydon... (With eviolite, Rhydon's defenses become pretty awesome, and even its special defense becomes decent, so having a careful nature is worth it imo)

Also for Rhyperiod I think the last em should be ice fang, and for Rhydon I'd make it Counter.

And Rock Head (Solid Rock) for Rhyperior, and Lightningrod on Rhydon for doubles.

I think the thinking is Rock Polish, but 40 speed isn't that great. Although you do hit 202 speed at level 50 after a boost, not bad.

Adamant should have Curse+Metal Burst over Crunch/That last slot imo

I edited the proposed sets to what I think are the current sets that are being discussed. Is it pretty much it?

I think the discussion for Rhyhorn is going to be a long one XD

Even then, does iron tail actually have use? What is it hitting harder than EdgeQuake that we need to sacrifice that much accuracy? I know we use focus blast on things, but that's because we need the coverage and it has 120 base power.

And I agree with bones, at least metal burst needs to be on the tank set.

I agree that Iron Tail sucls. I edited the sets above, tell me what you think.

Personally I think I would go with:

Rhydon

Set 2 : Tank / Doubles
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Careful / Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior

Set 3 : Offensive
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

The jolly rhyperior sounds interesting. I think people use it with rock polish and weakness policy. Not sure if it's good though.

Mademoiselle C wrote:

Personally I think I would go with:

Rhydon

Set 2 : Tank / Doubles
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Careful / Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior

Set 3 : Offensive
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Forgot to mention I'm fine with either nature in both cases. Jolly Rhyperior with Rock Polish does sound interesting. I probably wouldn't go with both Adamant, but either Adamant/Jolly, Careful/Adamant or Careful/Jolly is fine with me.

The first set needs Rock Head->Solid Rock Rhyperiors best ability as I dont think we'll be using Rhydon for both thus doesnt need Eviolite for set #1 Curse>Fire Fang/Ice Fang Imo as well for set #1

The point is to choose between sets 1 and 2 for Rhydon, and set 3 is for Rhyperior...

Is anyone going to comment on the actual solution I'm proposing? XD i.e.:

Mademoiselle C wrote:

Mademoiselle C wrote:

Personally I think I would go with:

Rhydon

Set 2 : Tank / Doubles
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Careful / Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior

Set 3 : Offensive
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Forgot to mention I'm fine with either nature in both cases. Jolly Rhyperior with Rock Polish does sound interesting. I probably wouldn't go with both Adamant, but either Adamant/Jolly, Careful/Adamant or Careful/Jolly is fine with me.

Mademoiselle C wrote:

Is anyone going to comment on the actual solution I'm proposing? XD i.e.:

Mademoiselle C wrote:

Mademoiselle C wrote:

Personally I think I would go with:

Rhydon

Set 2 : Tank / Doubles
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Careful / Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior

Set 3 : Offensive
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Adamant / Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Forgot to mention I'm fine with either nature in both cases. Jolly Rhyperior with Rock Polish does sound interesting. I probably wouldn't go with both Adamant, but either Adamant/Jolly, Careful/Adamant or Careful/Jolly is fine with me.

No comment

I like the defensive rhydon and offensive rhyperior. Eviolite lets Rhydon wall better than Rhyperior, despite solid rock.

But quite honestly, rock/ground is one of the worst type combos in the game. I'm not even sure defensive is a good idea ever. Plus, no rocks. The best set is the offensive Rhyperior.

So how about :

Rhydon
Ability: Lightningrod
Nature: Adamant
Item: Eviolite
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Curse
- Metal Burst
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

Rhyperior
Ability: Solid Rock
Nature: Jolly
Item: Protector
IV spread: 31/31/31/x/31/31
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Metal Burst
- Crunch
- Fire Fang
- Ice Fang

?

Rock/Ground IS a terrible defensive typing, so Jolly Rhyperior with Rock Polish is probably the best idea so you can kill stuff before dying. And then Rhydon gets Adamant because Careful wouldn't help it that much (most special moves used against it are 4X effective anyway).

If you want HGSS Pokeballs for Rhyhorn lemme know

Please take then

Yeah, I don't even know how needed Rhydon is at this point. Eviolite is great, but it's weak to like every special move and doesn't have the padding of Solid Rock.

I like Rhydon >.>

It's the first pokemon ever designed by game freak, it deserves a special place in our hearts and its own set too. XD

I think Jolly + Rock Polish Rhyperior has the greatest potential. Hmmmm instead of Iron Tail, Metal Burst. It can be indeed worthier. Cool

As for the Rhydons... Reckless could be more useful, but Rhydon's movepool doesn't favor it that much. So I'd go with Lightninrod, it can be helpful in doubles as Ms. C mentioned.

So... I'd go with Solid Rock Jolly Rhyperior and Lightningrod Adamant Rhydon.

Do u have it in a heavy ball?

rafakp wrote:

Do u have it in a heavy ball?

I can convert the parent you want to use if you want me to. I'll do any ball changes for anyone if they want me too, free of charge. Just want the best job done possible.

ugotmybeef wrote:

rafakp wrote:

Do u have it in a heavy ball?

I can convert the parent you want to use if you want me to.  I'll do any ball changes for anyone if they want me too, free of charge.  Just want the best job done possible.  

Perhaps you should consider this to one of the parents(not the final product) rafakp, makes it so that parent can have the IVs and ball making it easier. Otherwise let me know if you still need me to get you a Heavy Ball from HG.

rafakp wrote:

I think Jolly + Rock Polish Rhyperior has the greatest potential. Hmmmm instead of Iron Tail, Metal Burst. It can be indeed worthier. Cool

As for the Rhydons... Reckless could be more useful, but Rhydon's movepool doesn't favor it that much. So I'd go with Lightninrod, it can be helpful in doubles as Ms. C mentioned.

So... I'd go with Solid Rock Jolly Rhyperior and Lightningrod Adamant Rhydon.

Basically agree, but don't want to defend it via thinking

rafakp wrote:

Do u have it in a heavy ball?

Oh no... he's been converted O.O

cmzoid wrote:

rafakp wrote:

I think Jolly + Rock Polish Rhyperior has the greatest potential. Hmmmm instead of Iron Tail, Metal Burst. It can be indeed worthier. Cool

As for the Rhydons... Reckless could be more useful, but Rhydon's movepool doesn't favor it that much. So I'd go with Lightninrod, it can be helpful in doubles as Ms. C mentioned.

So... I'd go with Solid Rock Jolly Rhyperior and Lightningrod Adamant Rhydon.

Basically agree, but don't want to defend it via thinking

If you want to satisfy everyone you can do the Jolly one holing Ability Capsule and a Adamant Rock Head/Lightningrod one holding Eviolite, you can change the Ability of the Adamant one using AC on the first if you want to not evolve it. You can give a Protector to one of the other Pokemon you'll be breeding(or any other item for that case) If someone wants 2 Adamant ones they simply ask the cloner for a second in the future.

Jolly one has 3 coverage moves + Metal Burst
Adamant has Curse+Metal Burst+2 coverage moves
try to make the coverage moves different I gurantee noone will use them and its just better to give us access to alot of them.

Bones, that is an excellent idea. I agree 100 percent.

Yeah great idea, Bones. And I'll get the Heavy Ball from you.

rafakp wrote:

Yeah great idea, Bones. And I'll get the Heavy Ball from you.

Alright in that case I'll head to HG now to Heavy Ball one. If you want 2 balls for both to be different let me know otherwise Heavy Ball would be fine for both.

rafakp wrote:

Yeah great idea, Bones. And I'll get the Heavy Ball from you.

punch through the gut  

don't feel bad!!!!! I just prefer his method lol sorry....

Honestly, I don't...

No one is going to use a Jolly Rhydon, and no one is going to use any ability other than Solid Rock on Rhyperior, so the jolly set needs Protector, and the coverage moves are pretty much the best you can get (no one is ever going to use Iron Tail or Skull Bash). So I wouldn't change anything on the Jolly set.

The Adamant set can be used as either Rhydon or Rhyperior, except it needs the other ability if you want to make it a Rhyperior. So maybe the ability capsule can be useful, but I still prefer having Eviolite because it is meant to be a Rhydon and if someone really wants a Rhyperior, it's pretty easy to get an ability capsule or to just breed a new one with the right ability. And the move are still the best they can be...

Oh... that's true... we need one of them holding protector.

Well I mean I have an Eviolite, maybe two. I don't have an ability capsule. The item attached is not required to be on there. I'd rather rack up capsules than Eviolite, because needing more than one per any battle short of little cup is not a good idea, and capsules are expensive and harder for me to get.

He said one was holding protector and the other ability capsule.

Oh, he did say protector, just in reference to something else. Yeah, one needs protector.

Actually he said one holding eviolite and one holding ability capsule... but the jolly set definitely needs protector.

As for eviolite vs ability capsule, well, I'm pretty much the opposite because I have ability capsules and never use them, so I'd much rather have a spare eviolite. So I guess that depends on the person.

In any case, I don't think we should change the egg moves, and I also think the jolly set should hold the Protector. As long as we're using these egg moves and getting the protector, well, if most people want an AC instead of Eviolite for the Rhydon set, I guess I can deal with it.

If you have an a.c., I'll just steal one from you or you could attach it to Seel or something.