[Finished] Pineco

Proposed Sets

Set 1 : NAME OF THE SET
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Relaxed
Item: Leftovers
IV spread: 31/31/31/31/31/0
Hidden Power: Not Relevant
Egg Moves:
- Revenge
- Stealth Rock
- Pin Missile
- Power Trick

Pineco rocks my socks. Is the option of revenge on there? Probably not as good as counter, but I figured I'd throw it out.

Drop Toxic Spikes(Lv Up) For Pin Missile so it has a better Bug Stab?

Also could consider going 31/31/31/31/31/0 for HP Ice+Volt Switch but meh you can only do it if your lucky.

Actually you could do 31/31/31/31/31/x to make Volt Switch usable. There's no need for 0 speed IVs. We're using Relaxed because speed is the stat that Forretress doesn't need, but it's not a trick room pokemon, we're not actually trying to be as slow as possible, we just don't care about speed at all.

And if you manage to make the speed IV a random even number we'll get HP ice too which COULD be useful on some sets I guess.

So basically, 31/31/31/31/31/even would be perfect.

Also I could see Flail or Endure being more useful than Power Trick

I was just gonna chime in about volt switch, that and rapid spin are the only attacking moves I run. You could argue that for gyro ball you need min speed, but honestly, a somewhat low imperfect speed would be great. And I don't really think you need to worry too much about hp Ice, running specially attacking Forretress isn't really a good idea.

I can possibly see flail being better, but it already gets sturdy and I guess this way you can have trick room set up, use power trick, and activate a Liechi berry and proceed to bash in some faces.

Well, actually I could see this thing running:

- Rapid Spin
- Spikes / Stealth Rock / Toxic Spikes
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power Ice

But if you get a few good 31/31/31/31/31/x spreads and they all have an odd speed IV, then don't bother... but maybe give it a try, at least get 2 or 3 before giving up.

As for the egg move, I don't really care either way

Oh, I didn't realize toxic spikes was a level up move. I'll replace it with flail, revenge, or pin missile? Also, I can go for 31/31/31/31/31/0

Edited the set. Let me know what you guys think

Needs more Pin Missile Bug STAB.

I'd put it over Counter imo.

So Pin Missile over Counter? What about revenge? Is it better than counter?

I could remove Revenge/Counter/Power Trick and replace it with pin missile. Thoughts?

ed819 wrote:

So Pin Missile over Counter? What about revenge? Is it better than counter?

I could remove Revenge/Counter/Power Trick and replace it with pin missile. Thoughts?

Revenge is a nice Fighting move that I'm sure we can agree will near always do 120 damage. Counter w/ that HP not being the highest and that high Def might not get the damage your looking for unless they have low HP but high attack. I like Power Trick b/c w/ TR you still get decent Def but a really good attack stat.

Why don't we just drop counter for pin missile?

So the final four would be pin missile, stealth rock, revenge, and power trick?

Ok. I'll replace counter with pin missile then

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